Episode 22

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9th Dec 2025

How to Create Freedom When Everything Around You Is Changing With Bogac Ozgen

When you're having a terrible day, your brain tells you to shut down. Close off from people. Focus on yourself until you feel better. It makes sense: how can you support anyone else when you're barely holding it together?

What if we flipped the script and, in the words of our leadership mentor Bogac Ozgen, focused out - on other people, their problems, how we can support them? It sounds insane. But it works because when you stop obsessing over what's broken in you, you stop feeding it.

Bogac Ozgen, a security consultant who worked with Citibank and Vodafone for over 20 years, spent 40 years avoiding people entirely. Then he took a leadership training that shifted the way he saw people, taught him to focus out, and create supportive, connected communities all over the world. So many people transformed their lives because he had the courage to transform himself and focus out.

In this episode, you'll discover why focusing out during struggles works when focusing in keeps you trapped, how "listening to the listening" changes every conversation, and why 5-6 person micro-communities anchor you when everything's changing.

IN THIS EPISODE

  • Welcome Bogac! His story and how he become a leadership mentor (and a powerful influence on our lives)
  • Why hiding from people when you're struggling keeps you stuck for decades
  • What "focusing out" actually means - and why it works when focusing in fails
  • The practice that rebuilt a broken father-son relationship completely
  • The micro-community strategy: why 5-6 people anchor you better than trying to do it alone
  • "Listening to the listening:" the little known-skills that resolves conflicts and transforms relationships
  • The decision that separates real leaders from "complete Hoover" leaders
  • How to hold people high in their potential when they can't see their own dreams yet
  • Why leadership's changing right now - and why collaboration is the only way through
  • Bogac's advice to start unleashing your freedom today

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Unleash Your Freedom: Mindset Strategies For High Achievers
Unleash Your Freedom gives trailblazers, rebels, dreamers and creators who are done playing small the mindset, strategies, and insights that will set you free.
Unleash Your Freedom delivers mindset strategies for high achievers who want to create success in every area of their life without sacrificing their freedom.

If you’re looking for a personal development podcast from two leadership coaches who believe you shouldn’t have to choose between being wildly ambitious and having a life you actually love, you’re in the right place.

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If you want to grow your business or career, develop a success mindset, and master emotional intelligence, so you can achieve more, have better relationships, and thrive in your health, you’re in the right place.

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- How do I create more freedom in my life?
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- How do I achieve my goals and still enjoy my life?
- How do I create success in every area of my life?
- How can I become a better leader?
- How do I build better relationships?

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Giorgia & Dawn

We are leadership coaches who met on our journey to becoming free while coaching together. Now we're coaching high-achieving people into breaking through their inner barriers, achieving those goals they once thought impossible, and truly unleashing their freedom.